implantation and infiltration) a takeover of human society FROM
ABOVE AND BELOW?
The following is a transcript of an interview which took
place between a Radio host by the name of Chuck Harder and George
Knapp, a journalist for KLAS-TV in Las Vegas, Nevada. The
transcript of the interview appeared in 'FOR THE PEOPLE'
Magazine, and because of it's obviously remarkable nature,
including the large number of well-known people involved, we will
record the majority of the interview here:
CHUCK HARDER: "...My guest has (now) called in and I'm going
to run down who he is and where he's from for a number of
reasons, some of them for his own protection. George, are you
there..."
GEORGE KNAPP: "Hello Chuck"
CH: "Please tell us, you are George Knapp, right..."
GK: "That's right"
CH: "George, what do you do for a living?"
GK: "I'm a journalist with KLAS-TV in Las Vegas, the CBS
affiliate here."
CH: "So you are a TV newsman..."
GK: "Right"
CH: And you work for Channel 18, KLAS-TV in Las Vegas,
Nevada..."
GK: "Right"
CH: "I understand that you have come upon some very
interesting information and you've done some special reports,
could you tell us about it...?"
GK: "Well we just finished a nine-part series - what may be
the longest series that's ever been done on this subject dealing
with UFO's.
"Our research actually started about two and a half years
ago, a fellow named John Lear, the son of the guy who invented
the Lear Jet brought some of this information to our attention.
In May of this year, Mr. Lear introduced us to a fellow who
claims to have worked at a secret base designated S-4...on a top-
secret Nevada test site... the fellow said that he worked on
'flying saucers', that the technology was not from Earth, and we
interviewed him live in silhouette in May, the response was
incredible...we got response from Japan, parts of that interview
aired on radio in Europe, and six different European countries...
so we decided with this much interest we might want to take a
look at the subject more in depth.
"We started doing that and the first thing we found out is
that really UFO's have not been given a fair shake by science, by
government, by religion and especially by journalism. Millions
of people have seen UFO's, millions more believe (in them)... I
think the latest Gallup poll shows about 70 percent of college-
educated Americans believe that there's something to it, but
because of the tabloid aspects... 'The Girl Who Gives Birth to 52
UFO Babies' - kind of things in the NATIONAL ENQUIRER, people
have shied away from it... Serious people have shied away.
Scientists, although they might be interested in searching the
universe for radio signals really don't want to look in their own
back years - they can't get grants...people would laugh at them.
Journalism - the coverage is generally condescending and quirky,
especially by the networks, as in the coverage of the UFO that
supposedly landed in the USSR, people making fun of it... so, we
figured out that millions of people want to know as Roy Neary the
guy in the, 'CLOSE ENCOUNTERS' movie said, 'What's going on?' So
we started investigating it. The focal point of the story being
this fellow who said he worked at Los Alamos National Labs and
they said they never heard of him. We called MIT where he says
he went to school and they never heard of him. We called for his
birth records and they had disappeared... as if someone was
trying to make him a non-person. We did however confirm some of
the information that he had given us... we found newspaper
articles from Los Alamos indicating that he had indeed worked
there...we found an old telephone book from the lab with his name
in it, which gave him a certain amount of credibility in our
eyes. The story he tells is an incredible one. He was hired to
work at this area called S-4 on the test site, he was flown up to
a place called Groom Lake - taken by bus with no windows to S-
4... the base is built almost to look like it's part of the
desert with sand covering hanger doors, he goes inside and he
starts reading these briefing papers dealing with UFO's!
Pictures of UFO's on the walls, pictures of aliens, autopsy
reports on alien bodies...things of this nature - he's pretty
amazed. Then he sees the disks. He says there are nine of the
disks up there, they are powered by an anti-matter reactor which
produces it's own gravitational field...technology that does not
exist on this planet, and the interesting thing...he thought for
a while that perhaps it was just an advanced secret scientific
project that our government is pursuing until he looked inside
one of the disks and noticed the small furniture...all the chairs
were built like (they were made) for children. And then things
started coming together for him. Are you with me Chuck?"
CH: "I'm listening..."
GK: "Er, I'm not sure how much detail you want me to go in
on..."
CH: "Oh, I think you ought to keep going..."
GK: "Well this fellow was up there only a few months. And
it was a rough place to work... the security was so hard and he
was being harassed at home, his phone being tapped... plus he's
on to what he thinks are the secrets of the universe...he starts
to tell other people about it, confide with close friends."
CH: "Ummmm."
GK: "He had the date of a couple of tests and on two
consecutive weekends he took people up to the desert outside of
the boundaries of area S-4, and they videotaped the
saucers...what looks like a saucer coming over the mountains!"
CH: "Wow"
GK: "We showed the video as well..."
CH: "Um huhmm..."
GK: "Five different people that we interviewed that had gone
up there confirmed the same story...we also had confirmation of
other bits of his story from other people, a former security
guard who worked up there... who said he had seen the saucers; a
former technician..."
CH: "By the way, excuse me, I have some letters from some
people postmarked from that area, one inside a base, who tells me
what your saying is true. Keep going."
GK: "Ah, we also found a Nellis Airman who had been on radar
duty at Nellis air base which is just south of the area that this
fellow is talking about...he reported numerous times seeing..."
CH: "George, excuse me...let me do the half hour news break.
I want you to tell your story, I want America to hear it...Please
stand by."
(At this point SUN RADIO NETWORK runs the half hour news
headlines and sports audio package from UPI. After the news the
guest is re-introduced for listeners who may have just tuned
in...)
CH: "How many reports did you do, George?"
GK: "We did nine total in this series."
CH: "OK, now at the time we went to the news on the half
hour you told me that a scientist named Bob Lazar..."
GK: "Right"
CH: "OK, (he) came to tell you and came to the public and
apparently was concerned for his safety because he wanted to tell
America or get the news out that - yes, the Federal Government
has nine saucers, and yes they are near...it's near Nellis, is it
not?"
GK: "Yes."
CH: "Cause I have letters from people who are at Nellis.
Some of which don't want to give their names, I have the
postmarks. Tell us now if you would, start the story from the
fact that the gentleman has revealed that there are nine of these
things. We're listening and so is America."
GK: "Well we wanted to try to confirm as much of his story
as possible for other sources of course, so we started looking
for other people who might have knowledge of what's going on up
there...as I mentioned, I found a former security guard who said
that he had seen the saucers up there, I found a Nellis airman
who had worked in radar and said that basically he and his fellow
airman has seen these things flying over the Groom Mountains at
speeds up to 7,000 miles per hour on radar...these things would
stop on a dime, so the guy knew that this is not your average
airplane that's doing this. We also interviewed the other people
who went with Lazar up on two consecutive weeks, they test them
on Wednesdays for some reason, and videotaped the tests, saw
these things flying over the mountains and confirmed his story as
well. We put these questions to the Navy, who Lazar says he
worked for up there - we made FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT requests
as well - so I don't put a lot of faith in the FOI requests."
CH: "In other words what you're saying is that your
organization which is KLAS-TV in Las Vegas, plus many other UFO
research groups have uncovered many UFO documents that the
government says, 'Yeah we got them and yeah it's true'...but then
when you ask them again they say, 'No we don't have them'".
GK: "Exactly...that's exactly correct!"
CH: "I understand from MUFON (Mutual UFO Network) and many
other groups that there are somewhere from four to seven thousand
documents that prove that...yes these things exist, copies of the
documents are in private hands, then you go and ask the
government and they say, 'Well, er, no we don't remember...'"
GK: "The government says that they have done these studies
that say that UFO's are no threat to national security, they're
either psychological aberrations, which means that people are
nuts when they see them, that's what they feed the public...but
behind the scenes they are very concerned about the national
security implications of UFO's that land at nuclear missile bases
and can't be caught, things of that nature. So the government
from what I've read is very concerned about the phenomena and
doesn't understand it. The government on the other hand has
outright lied concerning what information it does have...the CIA
for example says it doesn't collect any information on
UFO's...well that's just patently not true. We have documents
from the CIA, a lot of it is blacked out, which mentions UFO
studies by the CIA, UFO research, CIA-UFO experts, agency
personnel who are monitoring the phenomenon, so they have lied to
us all along. I didn't expect to get any confirmation regarding
what Lazar has to say, but had to give it a try anyway."
CH: "Before we went to the half-hour break you said that
when he looked inside one of these discs there were little
furniture, give me some information..."
GK: "Well he feels that they were bringing him along, giving
him a piece at a time. He would see a saucer one day, the next
he would see the hanger doors open and see all nine of
them...after that he got to see the inside of the thing. He also
got to see a demonstration of it. He was told to stand back and
watch this...and the thing lights up real bright...I guess the
power that's produced is incredible, you need to produce your own
gravitational field, and it raised up, did a couple maneuvers and
sat back down. Part of the reason he came forward, not to spill
the secrets of the universe or the government, but because the
research that's being done up there is being handled in a clumsy
fashion. If they have had these for as long of forty years,
which is what he believes, they haven't come too far in trying to
understand them. Some of the disks he said he saw up there were
being taken apart, kind of a reverse archeology process to figure
out how they worked. Some of the research going on up there is
aimed at trying to duplicate the things that these machines can
do using earth technologies and earth materials and he says it
just can't be done. The key to the flying of these things is
something he calls 'Element 115' (elsewhere Lazar stated that
this is an extremely 'heavy' element - Branton)...it does not
exist on our periodic charts, he believes that wherever it came
from it's a naturally occurring element, he says we have 500
pounds of the stuff up there, just a little tiny sliver of it
produces incredible amounts of power. It's the '115' that we
will not be able to duplicate so he thinks...one of the reasons
he came forward is because scientists all over the world are
working, putting their energy into trying to master the secrets
of gravity and the secrets of anti-matter technology and here
we've got it up there and they're not doing a very good job with
it - this little batch of scientists hidden in the desert are
trying to figure it out and not doing a very good job..."
CH: "But this is kind of common with the United States...I
read five newspapers a day and I'll find where one group in one
part of the country is working on a project and I'll get a
clipping where another group is working on the same project, I've
contacted them and they don't know each other!"
GK: "Yeah, yeah - that's exactly right...he said
compartmentalization up there was very severe as well so that
nobody had the full picture - I guess so nobody could spill the
beans as he has been trying to do."
CH: "All right, what does he feel the public should know and
what does he feel should be done?"
GK: "Well, he's not on a campaign, what he really wanted to
do was to save his own life. He started having some problems
when it became obvious to his employers that he was telling
someone else about this."
CH: "We're talking about Bob Lazar now..."
GK: "Bob Lazar...his phone being tapped, people visiting
him, calling him up with a single word message - DEAD - then they
hang up! He tried to arrange meetings with his former supervisor
and the meetings didn't come off, he says somebody took a shot at
him on the freeway...obviously he realizes that if they really
wanted to kill him, they could. Maybe perhaps they were just
trying to shut him up. He feels that what is going on up there
is a crime against the entire scientific community...not only the
American people because we don't know what's going on and we
haven't been told alien technology exists, but also against the
scientific community. So, what else can I tell ya?"
CH: "What does he say about the aliens?"
GK: "He's reluctant to talk about that, apparently he did
see some aliens up there..."
CH: "Excuse me, are you telling me there were live aliens?"
GK: "Yeah, he's kind of sketchy on the details of that, and
I don't think I should go much further on that...part of the
discussion until I can talk to him, but he has indications that
there are aliens up there, at least one..."
CH: "Live?"
GK: "Yeah, it's pretty wild, I know and I didn't include
that in our reports because I couldn't confirm anything of that
nature, I couldn't find anyone else who had seen them up there
so..."
CH: "What did they look like?"
GK: "Your classic Grey...the little big-headed almond-eyed
grey-skinned being...the same ones in the classic descriptions of
the UFO literature...he's kind of squeamish talking about it as
well because it sounds so crazy..."
CH: "I don't think it's crazy at all, there was an article
yesterday on the front page of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL where the
FDA... stopped all the grapes from Chile last March... apparently
somebody laced two of the grapes with cyanide a couple hours
before the FDA stumbled on them and it was in inside job
apparently while the grapes were in the inspection station...and
it was not done on the way, so somebody's lying there - we're
talking of two little grapes that almost bankrupted the country
of Chile! If two little grapes... and such a story hits the
front page of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL about the truthfulness and
what happened with the FDA, what about this...how would this ever
get out if they would cover up a story about TWO LITTLE GRAPES!"
GK: "Well, I tell you we ask the question, the obvious
question, if this is true how can the government keep this a
secret all this time? A story this big - the government leaks
like a sieve on other things, how could the cover-up exist?"
CH: "Oh, I'll tell you..."
GK: "To which Lazar responds, this is the easiest...and he
asked the question to his superiors up there, it's the easiest
thing in the world to keep a secret because if it does come out,
little bits and pieces, who's going to believe it!"
CH: "Exactly...let me, you remember the Condon Report, do
you not?"
GK: "Yes..."
CH: "For those who are listening, I got into this
investigation because I kept getting letters from our listeners
who said, Chuck you ought to investigate this... we've
investigated many things in the past such as the GM Diesel cover-
up; we're working on a pay-phone cover-up; we've done things with
Ralph Nader...and so on. So we started buying the books and
contacting UFO organizations. I then found that there was a guy
named Phil Klass who was always there... somehow he was always
there and he said that everything was BUNK! and of course, he
works for the AVIATION WEEK magazine which is of course... the
mouthpiece for the Military/Industrial complex and they certainly
wouldn't want this technology to be out! I was also amazed when
I saw the stealth bomber (tests) live on CNN one Saturday and a
small plane landed at the same place, (runway) do you remember
that...?"
GK: "Yes..."
CH: "My question is: If the Stealth Bomber was so super
secret, how could a man and his child land their little tiny
plane on the same runway at a super secret airforce base? How
could he have pierced the radar and fighter jets and so forth?
My feeling was, probably the Stealth Bomber was obsolete and
nobody was watching!"
GK: "Yeah, I'd have to agree with you, because the secrecy
up there...the only thing that comes out of that place is what
they want out of it."
CH: "So what you're talking about then, since the Condon
committee, Phil Klass and all of the spokespeople who are
supposed to know everything, what you are saying is the ridicule
factor... if Billy Bob sees a flying saucer and even has a photo
of it and takes it to the paper, everybody laughs at him!"
GK: "There are actual documents the government has released
(under the Freedom of Information Act) that shows it is an actual
program that started back in the fifties...the CIA even used the
term DEBUNKING, there were discussions about using Walt Disney to
produce cartoons that made fun of people who had seen flying
saucers...they were going to bring Arthur Godfrey in as their
spokesperson. Phil Klass as you mentioned, he's explained away
UFO sightings seen by thousands of people as the constellation
ORION, when you can only see ORION from the other side of the
planet."
CH: "Uh huh..."
GK: "He uses things like Ball Lightning, plasma balls to
explain the sightings where plasma balls only last for a few
seconds and the examples that he is trying to explain occur in
cloudless skies where there is no lightning around. You mention
the Condon report, that's a perfect example of the kinds of
things that the government has done in the past, they commission
a study, it's supposed to be THE STUDY, but the guy they hire to
run the thing, Edward Condon, had said before he even started,
there was nothing to UFO's, the government should get out of it,
and he also said at one point that the authors of UFO books
should be HORSE-WHIPPED! One of the explanations that came from
the Condon committee, (an event) witnessed by several people,
they described it as, a natural phenomena so rare that it has
never been seen before or since! I don't think this kind of
thing is an accident!"
CH: "OK, the Soviet Union and Tass gave their report (of a
UFO) and from what I have heard there are different kinds of
aliens, some have been coming here for years and years and it's
nothing new..."
GK: "Right..."
(Note: At this point they engage in a discussion of the
'Billy Meier' case which took place in Switzerland. One of the
craft described by Lazar was allegedly very similar to one of the
craft described by Meier. Lazar said that all nine of the
objects he had seen in the S-4, Groom Lake area were different,
and he nicknamed the object that was similar to the one Meier
photographed the 'sport model'. After this Chuck Harder tells
George Knapp that there is a break coming up and that after the
break would he please tell Mr. and Mrs. America what they should
do to get the truth).
CH: "I hope that Mr. and Mrs. America make note of the name
George Knapp and Bob Lazar so that if anything ever happens to
them, you know why."
GK: "Someone should tell us what's going on...TV and movies
have conditioned us...We won't panic...Jimmy Carter when he ran
for President promised that if he was elected that he vowed to
open all the UFO files and he didn't - we wrote him asking why
and he didn't respond. We want the government to come clean..."
(At this point the listeners were invited to contact George Knapp
as KLAS-TV., P.O. Box 15047., Las Vegas, Nevada 89144)
One group that is allegedly tied-in with the inner workings
of the government-alien interaction and/or conflicts are known as
the "Delta" Force. The Delta's, some allege, are a secret
military group who have been recruited by the government in order
to perform certain functions in relation to the so-called 'joint-
interaction' projects involving deep-level government
organizations and the 'aliens' (Greys).
At the beginning of the 'interaction', the government was
optimistic about their new-found alliance with an apparently
benevolent race of non-human beings. When the government finally
discovered the true nature of the 'aliens', also known as the
'greys', that 'they' were using the 'treaties' with the U.S.
government merely as a means to further their infernal plans to
bring the human race under their control, then according to
various sources 'all hell broke loose!' The government-CIA in
their zeal to establish contact with what they hoped were
technological 'saviors' from the stars, had 'bargained away' much
of what they had. When the 'Horrible Truth' was discovered it
was too late, the aliens already had too much control and their
physical and occult conquest was increasing every day. And the
Delta's were caught right in the middle.
The Delta Groups (or National Recon Group), wear the
'Trilateral' insignia, a black triangle on a red background.
'Delta' is also the fourth letter in the Greek alphabet, which
has the form of a triangle. The symbol appears prominently in
certain Masonic lodges, and is said to have had it's origin with
the aliens (or serpent race).
The Delta Forces were the major group which, according to
some sources, were involved in the attempted operation which was
implemented to rescue several scientists who were being held
captive within the deepest levels of the 'Dulce' complex below
northwestern New Mexico. These workers had stumbled across the
'Horrible Truth', and according to some sources over 66 persons,
many of them Delta Forces, were slaughtered by the inhuman
inhabitants and controllers of those lower levels. Some allege
that Air Force Blue Berets were also involved in this conflict,
which was later to become known as the 'Dulce Wars'. Exactly
what part the Blue Berets played, however, is uncertain.
With this in mind, the reader might better understand the
following revelations which were released by former Naval Petty
Officer and Intelligence worker, William Cooper. On January 10,
1989, Mr. Cooper sent the following statement to various
different researchers:
"The following information was extracted from a rather long
treatise/transcript/conversation between an individual and
another who was assigned to DELTA SECURITY:
"01: Delta security has a lot to do with inter-service
projects.
"02: The Trilateral insignia (alien) is valid and has been
used to mark equipment.
"03: 'The whole thing is grim and won't get any better.'
"04: The Trilateral insignia has been seen on a disk at
Edwards AFB, CA and Area 51 in NV.
"05: There is a hanger at Edwards referred to as the Delta
Hanger.
"06: The Delta Hanger is on the North Base at Edwards.
"07: You need a special badge to get near it. It is a red
badge with a black triangle on the face of it and personal
information on the back.
"08: Disk in hanger at Edwards described as having insignia
on the underside and on the top. It was about 50' in diameter,
appearing like tarnished silver, about 15 to 18 feet thick.
There were what looked like windows around the raised portion
that were mostly described as rectangular. There was a groove
around the disk about 4 feet from the edge all the way around.
There was an area on the bottom that looked like vents or
louvers.
"09: When people assigned to Delta would break down and cry
for no apparent reason, you would never see them again.
"10: Apparently, the NRO (National Recon Organization)
recruits for DELTA out of Fort Carson, Colorado.
"11: Just about everyone assigned to DELTA are orphans, have
no relatives, etc.
"12: There are 'bounty hunters' connected with Dreamland.
"13: If you work at Dreamland and go on leave or are not
back on time they send 'bounty hunters' after you. That's where
the 'visitors' live...there is an underground facility...
"14: Area 51 is at Groom Lake in Nevada. The disks are
flown there.
"15: One of the craft looked like an upside-down diamond.
"16: There is a radiation hazard apparent when some of the
craft fly.
"17: No one stays at Dreamland for more than a few months.
"18: 'Everything is way out of control...'"
(no longer under 'human' control? - Branton)
The following conversation, in relation to the Nevada
Military Complex and the 'underground facilities', took place on
the "Billy Goodman Happening" - KVEG Radio 840 AM, Las Vegas,
Nevada, on November 19, 1989. It was transcribed by a Las Vegas
resident.
Billy Goodman incidentally, has personally planned visits,
in collaboration with KNBC Radio in Los Angeles, to observe the
'disks' which are being tested at Groom Lake. Goodman and others
claimed to have seen these disks in operation, and back up these
claims with video documentation. One such video shows a hovering
object making a vertical ascent, stop in mid-air, make a
horizontal traverse, followed by another vertical ascent.
Something like this would be impossible for any conventionally
known aircraft of the time to duplicate. Billy Goodman has been
very instrumental in getting the information out about the
underground base (i.e. the 'underground facility' where the
'visitors' live, according to Bill Cooper's source which we've
just quoted) at Site 51:
In the following annotated transcript, the caller will be
identified as 'C' and Billy Goodman as 'B':
B: Hi! Your on the Billy Goodman Happening on KVEG! Sir,
what can I do for you tonight?
C: O.K. Are you ready? Hang on to your seats! Here goes!
We are going 3,000 feet underground! O.K. We get to that point,
3,000 feet. We come out into a stainless steel atmosphere... and
we come upon people that are ah... construction people... working
people, and so forth that are supposed to be in that area. Then
we come upon another people who push us into another little room.
They tell us, "Do not come out of that area, until your told to."
These guys are 6 minute marines, all right? They tell us, "If
you do, you are going to get hurt!" OK? So we are construction
workers!
B: Where are you working? Where is what you are describing
to us.
C: On a certain test site!
B: A certain test site! Which one? You can't reveal which
one?
C: We're kinda mixed up! We don't know what the hell is
going on. We're making ah... good bucks... and everything has
come down on us... and they are hurting us! OK? So we are
contractors! We are workers! OK? So there's a person that I
called and explained what is happening to me and they told me to
call you and tell you! So, that is what I am doing right now!
Calling you!
B: You presented it in a very odd way! First of all I
didn't know if you were going to be serious or what! Are you
saying to me that you are a construction worker and you had to go
3,000 feet under ground? First of all what would you be doing
underground? Let me ask you that!
C: We are running lights and power.
B: And who assigned you this job?
C: It's through Reynold's Electronics. I have to say that
because I get my pay check from someone else! (Note: Reynold's
Electronics is tied-in to "E.G. & G." Corporation which DOES IN
FACT work with and contract through the Nevada Test Sites -
Branton)
B: They tell you to put these lights underground?
C: Yeh, but there's more to it than that! I'm sortof afraid
of expressing. Am I talking to you or what?
B: Yes, you are talking directly to me!
C: OK. You know some of the things that are happening,
shouldn't be. It should be made public! The public should know
what the hell is going on! And it scares the hell out of me.
What is not being brought out you know? For example, can I give
you an example? Here's an example! A few weeks back we were
inside a certain cavern going through stainless steel halls,
going north, and as we move along we are hanging lights. In the
rooms are... they're like operating rooms. All of a sudden, off
the elevator, our U.S. Marines come out, crash us down off our
scaffold, pushing us down, and then into a room. This is taking
a hell of a lot out of me to tell you this right now! The bosses
come into the room and we're getting debriefed and all this kind
of stuff and all of a sudden they are carrying fixed bayonets.
Now I fought in Vietnam and I thought these guys were my buddies!
Oh, no way! Forget it! These guys are from outer space! (Note:
There is a slight possibility that the 'soldiers' which this man
encountered were not human marines, but we will deal with this
bizarre possibility later on - Branton) These people brought
these little characters on gurneys, OK? They had big heads and
little bodies and they went into this little room. Then, behind
them, these doctors in white coats and stuff! And we was really
at ah... we didn't know what the hell was going on! We were
shocked to hell! ...I was SCARED man!
B: Well, sure you didn't know what was going on and didn't
expect it! I guess them handling you upset you first of all.
Being man to man, you thought why should you treat me this way!
And that's to be expected. As far as knowing where you are I
have no idea.
C: I know where I was! I worked there every day! I keep a
log and if someone asks me I know what's going on! I'm telling
you man they're not telling us the truth. There is something
damn wrong within our government. I only got a glimpse of this
scientist on television (i.e. most likely referring to Robert
Lazar - Branton) but I know he's not telling much of what he
knows. I'm just a worker. A hammer and nail man. This guy's
got more brains than I do, and would know more about it than I
do. There's something INSIDE they aren't telling us!
B: OK. I understand that! Now what do you want us to do
about it?
C: EXPOSE IT!!!
B: I think you've done that yourself, just now! Now you
haven't told us your location and I think that's important so we
have some idea where this is. I hope you understand at this
moment...
C: I work at Mercury, Nevada and I'm the best electrician
there. This is between you and me now. I don't want anybody
else to know about this!
B: But your on the air Sir!
C: You mean somebody knows about this besides you and me?
B: But you are talking over the radio, Sir! Everybody, all
over the West Coast that is listening has just heard you! So
you've gotten your word out. Now let's see if anybody else knows
about it. Maybe just maybe, we'll get some calls from some of
the people that work with you.
C: Wait a minute! You mean somebody else knows about this
beside you and me?
B: Now, this is a talk show, you called a talk show. I am
over the radio - that's where you called!
C: OH, MY GOD!!!
B: Why, what's wrong with that? You called a talk show!
C: I thought I was just talking to you!
B: Now you said someone told you to call me. Was it someone
you work with?
C: Yes.
B: Nobody knows who you are. You haven't said your name or
anything! Now, let's see if anyone will back up your story!
C: But I didn't know other people would hear this. Now I'm
scared for my life! There's tremendous stuff out there that's
being hidden. It's being corrupted inside. It's being stashed
away.
B: Well that's what we do here. We are trying to bring the
information out, and it's people like yourself who are making
that happen. They bring us information all the time! Are you
trying to bring the information out yourself because you don't
like what's going on?
C: I fear for my life because I've seen what happened. I
fear for my life because the government is lying to me.
B: OK. Why do you fear for your life? Have you been
threatened?
C: Before you even go down in the pit they threaten you!
That is you tell anything of what you saw, you are dead!!!
B: But you're not saying more than what you saw. Is there
anything else you want to say before we say thank you for
calling?
C: Yes, one other thing. Whenever it gets down to the nitty
gritty, it will be clear to the people, that what they are seeing
on the news, is true! We've got six little bodies under ground,
man!!!
B: Please keep in touch, OK? (end of transcript)
The reference to Reynold's Electrical, by the way, may be
explained more fully in it's connection with E.G. & G., from the
following reference which we quote from an article that appeared
in a newspaper called the REVIEW-JOURNAL, January 9th, 1990.
This Associated Press article stated:
"Three Nevada-based EG&G companies employ most of the
workers at the Nevada Test Site, the nation's nuclear proving
grounds 65 miles northwest of Las Vegas.
"The companies employ 8,000 people: 1,500 at EG&G Energy
Measurements Inc.; 1,000 at EG&G Special Projects; and 5,500 at
Reynolds Electrical and Engineering Co."
Actually, present officials working at the Nevada Test Site
are apparently, for the most part, refusing the advice of the
FOUNDER of EG&G., Herald "Doc" Edgerton, who once made the
following statement at a meeting of the Archaeological Society of
America:
"Work like hell, TELL EVERYONE EVERYTHING YOU KNOW, close a
deal with a handshake, and have fun." Edgerton apparently was no
supporter of 'official secrecy', yet many of those now involved
in this company are being threatened to remain silent to the
point of endangering their very lives if they speak out about
what they have seen. Incidentally, Robert Lazar was hired by
EG&G himself to work at the S-4 installation at Groom Lake. In
fact, we will now relate another conversation which took place on
the "Billy Goodman Happening" almost a week after the
conversation which is recorded above. There are apparently SOME
EMPLOYEES working at the Nevada Test Site, who ARE speaking out
about what is going on there, like the one who called in to the
Billy Goodman show on Nov. 24, 1989, apparently partly in
response to the caller from Mercury, Nevada mentioned earlier,
AND in response to Bob Lazar's experiences, etc.
The person who transcribed this particular program
indicated that they had missed the first 15 seconds or so of the
callers conversation. This is NOT the same caller whose
conversation we just described. In the following transcript,
(C:) indicates 'Caller'; (B:) indicates 'Billy Goodman'; and
(B.L.:) refers to 'Bob Lazar', who was Goodman's guest for that
evening:
C: ...Well, we're kinda fed up with what's going on, right!
And I mean nothing gets done without the ants! We are the ants!
We are the construction workers, O.K.? We put things together
and take them apart! You are the scientists (referring here to
Robert Lazar - Branton). You do all the higher level of
knowledge stuff, right? We do all the putting in this and
putting in that: installing, construction and so forth! Well we
heard about your situation, and it's going through a whole bunch
of grape vines, O.K? It's coming together where people are
meeting in small groups and they're trying to organize a support
for you to back you up! Out of the meeting we had yesterday of 7
people, counting myself there are two that will come forward and
support you! What they SAW, what they are INVOLVED WITH! The
other guys are just scared to death and I'm a little scared
myself, you know!
B.L.: Do these people work in area S-4?
C: Yeh, all over the area!
B.L.: That would be great!
C: Mostly UNDERGROUND! The deep sections of the area! The
whole thing!
B: How do you feel Bob? Sounds like you are getting some
support!
B.L.: Yea, that's great! There's power in numbers!
C: We are trying to get things where it will be safe! You
know what I mean Bob?
B.L.: Oh yeah, I do!
C: It's kinda hard to talk to you like this you know but the
guys are for you! People are for you and everybody's wanted to
do something a long time ago but nobody knew what they could do.
B.L.: Yeh, that was the consensus when I was down there!
Everybody wanted to do something. I'm glad everyone has that
attitude!
C: Yeh, you are probably the beginning of the first motion
of the wheel you know! The first turn! The wheel is gonna turn
faster and faster in order to get where we want to get to!
B.L.: Well hopefully that will be the case! Do you think
these people would come forward if there was some sort of
congressional amnesty for them?
C: I don't know but we all know a lot! We know our jobs
well, like you do!
B.L.: I'm sure you do.
C: What we have to do is be firm about it, get to the point
and say, "Hey, here's what's happening!" Why don't you tell the
people what's happening? Why keep it a secret? Like before you
walk into those hangers there. Somebody had to install this and
install that! It's frightening. It scared the heck out of me.
We got together out at Lathrup Wells and kicked it around. We
B.S.'ed a little bit and said, "We gotta do something!" SO WE
DID SOMETHING YESTERDAY. Like I said: there's only two of the
seven of us who are willing to do something.
B: Sir, Sir! Is there anything we can do to help you in
this matter? Is there anything the listening people can do? I
know they are behind Bob Lazar 100%. I had him on here one night
and there hasn't been one person by either mail, or by telephone,
who has disputed what he has said! So they are behind him. Is
there anything we can do?
C: Well you could form some kind of walk or picket! Or
announce it on the street. Tell them we want to know! WE WANT
TO KNOW!!!
B: When you say on the street, are you talking about
downtown Las Vegas?
C: YES!
B: What do you think of that Bob? Do you think that would
do anything?
B.L.: Certainly if these people come forward! They have a
LOT to lose, if people start making a ruckus like that! They
could lose their jobs right away! They talked about there being
a ten year jail term and a $10,000 fine for divulging information
like that! I mean they have a lot to lose! You might...
B: But you know something Bob? It's almost like...
C: We have the first amendment on our side!
B.L.: Yeh, you do but... have you thought about contact(ing)
George Knapp? He's looking for anybody that is coming forward
from S-4, and any surrounding areas having knowledge at all about
that area or any of the flying saucer information! He's
gathering all he can and doing alot to try and expose it!
B: You might want to contact George! That might be a good
idea! But I think there's another side to this. It's almost
like they're not concerned any more about their jobs. They're
more concerned about the Constitution! They're more concerned
about Humanity! That's the impression I get!
B.L.: Yeh, you get that point but you have to feed yourself
too!
B: Well you know, there are people that take chances in
life, and sometimes they wind up with something better. Later
on... down the line. You know what I'm saying? Someone like
yourself. I'm not saying this would happen by coming forward,
taking a chance, and all of a sudden, say, the government cut you
off. You might get an offer for a better position. You follow
what I'm saying? Because there are people who own the businesses
that believe the way you believe. And I believe this! I hear
this gentleman talking and it's happening more and more. There
are people out there who would LOVE to come forward with
information.
C: But somebody has to start it.
B: Right. And I think you've done that Bob! You started
the ball rolling. I know you did. I think what is going to
happen is the people who have been wanting to say something; this
might be a relief for them. It's coming out and they won't have
to keep it inside any more!
B.L.: That was the general consensus when I was out there.
B: Well obviously they want out too. They want to tell the
truth.
C: Bob, did you have any work underground? IN THE TUNNELS?
B.L.: No! I have a friend whose dad worked on some of the
drilling equipment! I know there's some tunnels down there!
C: There's more than just tunnels down there! There's
everything you can imagine down there. I know cause we put it
up!!! We installed. We did everything. I just want you to know
that the M.W.s (Mercury Workers) are gathering together in small
groups trying to put something together for you and contact you
somehow to join you. If the people want to join us in a march or
whatever it's going to be, that's what we're going to do!
B.L.: Oh! That's super!
C: So we're with you man!
B: Thanks for the call sir! Have a nice night. Bob, it
sounds as though people are starting to come forward. (end of
transcript)
Still on the subject of the strange events taking place in
(and beneath) southern Nevada, we quote here part of a letter
written by a subscriber to N.A.R. (Nevada Aerial Research - now
Leading Edge Research), who made the following statements:
"...Bob Lazar, the scientist, was talking about riding in a
bus with the windows blacked out and it brought back something an
airline stewardess told me last summer (1989). She said, 'I'm
trying to relocate to another part of the country right now.
Once a week, I'm assigned to a flight that I hate! We only have
Armed Forces officers on THIS flight. Before we take off, we are
instructed to pull the window covers over the windows! After we
take off, we circle widely, about 15 minutes (it would be
unnoticeable to most people) - fly straight for 15 minutes,
circle again about 15 minutes and then land. After we land the
flight crew is ushered into a lounge. A half hour later we
repeat the process back to Las Vegas. The people are all
different on the return trip. We are told, 'Don't tell anyone
about these flights!' I just can't stand the tension on this
flight!'
"I think these trips are to Groom Lake!
"The jets are still swarming over the Blue Diamond area.
It's VERY odd. I know in my heart that it's more than just
practice flights!
"Something else very odd: (I think this might have something
to do with the tunnels). The apartment complex where I work
(fourplexes) (450 of them)... Two or three days ago the manager
asked the maintenance men if any of them were doing any work in
ONE of the buildings. Everybody said no. She said ALL 4
APARTMENTS in that building had called her and said that an
explosion knocked all the pictures off their walls and broke
them. No one else, from any other building felt anything. The
man I said who saw the landing at Holloman beat a path to me to
tell me about this. ...A Las Vegas subscriber."
In addition to this, here is another item which appeared in
one of the NAR newsletters: "On November 25th (1990), television
station Channel 8 in Las Vegas televised a two hour special on
UFOs, Area 51, S-4 and the UFO coverup. It is revealed that some
of the people who contacted Channel 8 had their homes broken
into in Las Vegas..."
Also, the following information appeared in the NAR
Newsletter, under the heading: "INTELLIGENCE REPORT" (also in
reference to the UFO-Military connection):
"NRO - National Recon Organization: Based at Fort Carson,
Colorado. Responsible for all alien or alien craft connected
projects. Use unmarked black helicopters.
"DELTA - Security teams from NRO specially trained to
provide tasked PROJECTS/LUNA security (MEN IN BLACK). This
project is ongoing.
"BLUE TEAM - The first project responsible for
reaction/recovery of downed/crashed alien craft and/or aliens.
This was an AF Material Command project.
"UFO sightings of craft accompanied by black helicopters are
REDLIGHT assets that originate at Groom Lake (Dreamland), Area 51
north of Las Vegas.
"...PROJECTS: BLUE TEAM, SIGN, GRUDGE, AQUARIUS, SIGMA,
PLUTO, SNOWBIRD, LUNA, GABRIEL, EXCALIBUR (1988)... (Note: These
are some of the 'secret projects' allegedly relating to the U.S.
Government's interaction with the UFO phenomena. Further details
on these projects are available from Leading Edge Research., P.O.
Box 481-MU58., Yelm, WA 98597. Although L.E.R. carries much
documentable information from very reliable sources, the reader
should be warned that they also carry some "occult channeled"
information of an extremely dubious nature, which CANNOT be
physically substantiated. But the "documentation" it does carry
is extensive and very well compiled - Branton). (Project Snowbird is considered by some to be a 'red herring' to keep investigators from looking into Project Redlight, which is concerned with UFOs. - Ed.)
The 'INTELLIGENCE REPORT' segment in NAR-LER also revealed
the following information concerning former Naval Officer Bill
Cooper (who claims to have seen a copy of the 'Grudge/Blue Book
Report No. 13,' while on active duty several years ago):
"Bill Cooper recently received some strange phone calls in
which the following statements were made by the caller:
"'I called to tell you that you are wrong about the alien
base. LUNA is the name of the base on the far side of the moon.
The earth base is called Dreamland.
"'You are in over your head. Would you like to end up in an
asylum? If you continue your activities you will meet me sooner
than you think. You should know who I am.'
"Bill Cooper has some comments. We will print them:
"'When I released PUBLIC 02.DOC (release of info on computer
bulletin board) my purpose was to expose the documents and
information released by William Moore et al as being fraudulent
and misleading. MAJESTIC TWELVE is an advisory team of
scientists who's only purpose is to evaluate information and make
recommendations. The information gathered by the control group
MAJI is released to MAJESTIC TWELVE when study is needed.
MAJESTIC TWELVE has never been the whole truth. MAJI is the
MAJESTIC AGENCY FOR JOINT INTELLIGENCE and has total control of
information and interface with the aliens in dealings with the
United States government. Some of the documents released by
Moore were changed from the original with the deliberate intent
to mislead UFO researchers. I believe that the government is
behind the whole thing. The rest of the documents are deliberate
frauds. MAJIC is the highest security classification in the
nation...'"
Referring once again to the subsurface regions, we quote now
from yet another item which appeared in the N.A.R. newsletter,
which was titled, 'IS INNER EARTH RESEARCH HAZARDOUS TO YOUR
HEALTH?':
"An observation has recently been made that most of the
outstanding inner earth researchers have died of heart attack
(Note: Heart attack is a recognized result of psychic attack
among occultists who recognize the danger of certain types of
occult warfare. It is tied-in with the terror apparently
projected against persons by the initiators of such attack. It
is possible that hominoid non-human beings such as the serpent
races might have the ability to direct psychic attacks against
human beings. It is interesting that there have been very few if
any UFOlogists, etc., who claim to have taken up a devout
"Christian" lifestyle, who have suffered in this way, suggesting
that a deep "faith" in the Creator may neutralize such psychic
attacks and make the "believers" impervious to their otherwise
destructive influences - Branton). Surely, this is beyond a
simple coincidence. Gray Barker, Dick Shaver, and Joan O'Connel
(New Atlantean Journal) are but a few. Locally, there are
several inner earth researchers who are very notable in their
persistence.
"Lew Tery, who has recently relocated to Utah, was the
foremost local proponent of geomagnetic vortex/UFO connection
theory. Lew was instrumental in the discovery of underground
tunnel networks in the Las Vegas area, one of them being between
the base of Boulder Dam and Jumbo Peak, where there are two mines
whose owners view 200' diameter disks on a frequent basis. At
one point, Lew offered to set up an interview with these miners.
Alas, Mr. Tery is not to be found.
"A local Henderson resident, who shall remain nameless, has
been into inner earth research for years. This person has been
hounded and chased due to intimate knowledge of inner earth
tunnels in the local area.
"There is obviously something here that some people wish to
protect. Something to hide. Many seem to know what it is, and
they speak cautiously about REPTILIAN HUMANOIDS and the SERPENT
RACE, which are two subjects which seem to be surfacing again.
Response to local television and radio programs featuring JOHN
LEAR have been overwhelming. A recent lecture in Las Vegas drew
over 700 people.
"According to some sources, the 'Greys' are the lower level
of a bigger scenario that involves this reptilian race..."
The following information from William F. Hamilton III
appeared in "UFO UNIVERSE" and describes further details on the
"Yellow Fruit" account including claims which he made over the
air during the few "interviews" which were heard over KVEG
Radio's Billy Goodman talk show:
"...Yellow Fruit revealed that A CONFLICT WAS GOING ON
BETWEEN THE BENEVOLENT ONES and THE EBE's and that now the
benevolent ones had gained the upper hand at Dreamland where he
said a contingent of 37 benevolent ones were stationed and where
3 EBE's were held in captivity.
"Bizarre! Science Fiction? Yellow Fruit knew a lot about
the test site area. I resolved to go to the location he gave of
the EBE installation in Deep Springs, California and then on to
visit Pat at the Rachel Bar & Grill to make contact with Yellow
Fruit (the name for the first level of security force at Area 51
and also the name of an old Army-CIA unit). The second level of
security he called "Sea Spray" and intimated that you would have
an encounter of the unpleasant kind if you ever met with them.
"Callers to the Billy Goodman Radio Happening had already
organized trips to mile-marker 29 1/2 on highway 375 where a dirt
road left the highway to intersect the road to Dreamland. There
was a heavy black mail box on this road which identified it. I
got to Rachel early one October morning and left my card with Pat
at Rachel's Bar and Grill to pass on to Yellow Fruit. She knew
him by sight. I then inspected the dirt roads where people stood
to observe the test flights. I had already interviewed four
witnesses by phone who testified that they had seen UFOs over the
Groom Mountains on certain nights in the same area they were seen
by John Lear. I made a second trip to the area in late October
where a public group visited Rachel and that is when I saw the
mysterious Yellow Fruit in the cafe. He later called me on the
phone. I left him with a copy of my book, 'Alien Magic' and he
remarked on the research I had done concerning the search for
underground bases.
"According to Yellow Fruit and others there are underground
bases and tunnels that conceal the activities of the aliens and
secret government projects..."
In connection with the subject of this File, that is the
'invasion' of an alien race from above and below utilizing mind-
bending techniques and implantation, we will quote from Brad
Steiger's 'THE UFO ABDUCTORS' (1988., Berkley Books., N.Y.):
"In 1969 I and my research associates... Loring G. Williams
and Glenn McWane, were bombarded with the claims of dozens of
contactees who said that they had had an implant left somewhere
in their skulls, usually just behind the left ear. These
contactees/abductees came from a wide variety of occupations,
cultural backgrounds, and age-groups.
"We employed private detectives and medical doctors... in an
attempt to learn what archetype had been fed into their
particular group consciousness. We never found any implants that
were detectable to X rays, but our hypnotic sessions turned up an
incredible amount of fascinating, albeit bizarre, information
about underground UFO bases, hybrid aliens walking among us, and
thousands of humans slowly turning into automatons because of
readjusted brain wave patterns."
Dr. Clifford Wilson M.A., B.D., Ph.D., in his book
"UFOS...AND THEIR MISSION IMPOSSIBLE" (Signet Books., N.Y.)
presents his own "intelligence" contributions concerning the on-
going invasion/infiltration of our society by alien powers:
"...Not only have many seen UFOs, but there is also a
growing army of those who claim to have had actual contact with
UFO occupants. An authoritative, and possibly conservative,
estimate is that there are 50,000 silent contactees in the United
States alone.
"It could well be there are thousands of people who do have
information and are not prepared to reveal it because of
threatened consequences to themselves. Possibly many do not know
they have that 'knowledge' because they themselves gained it in a
hypnotic state.
"HYPNOTIZED SLAVES AWAIT A SIGNAL - Nations could be
conquered by the infiltration of agents into government seats of
authority, and it is surely more frightening to think that
mankind could be overcome and even destroyed by programmed men
and women from within their own ranks. If there is indeed a
final confrontation approaching, an army of people could be
involved. They could be ready to take action which they
themselves do not even anticipate, but yet with no option but to
obey because they have been conditioned to obey, at a given
signal.
"We are not alone in suggesting this dreadful possibility.
To quote John Keel once again:
"'We have no way of knowing how many human beings throughout
the world have been processed in this manner, since they would
have absolutely no memory of undergoing the experience, and so we
have no way of determining who among us has strange and sinister
'programs' lying dormant in the dark corners of his mind.
"'Suppose a plan is to process millions of people and then
at some future date trigger all of those minds at one time?
Would we suddenly have a world of saints? Or would we have a
world of armed maniacs shooting at one another from bell towers?'
"If Armageddon, to which the Bible points, is indeed a final
battle in which human and nonhuman forces alike wage that
dreadful conflict to the death, this sort of 'programming' is a
real possibility, and it appears to be proceeding at breakneck
speed across the whole of the world. It is reported that the
term 'Armageddon' has been used in a message to a contactee and
other 'end of the world' messages have been given. Is there a
desperate preparation for a last-ditch stand by the forces of
evil, a final attempt to thwart the plans of the Holy God against
Whom they have rebelled? Bible history gives many examples where
Satanic forces have attempted completely to destroy God's plans
that would result in total blessings for man. There has
continually been a diabolical scheme to bending minds by
deceitful assurances and 'brainwashing.' Post-hypnotic
suggestions, with in-built commands for action to be triggered at
a given signal, would fit the general pattern of rebellion
consistently seen in the Bible records.
"A FRIGHTENING PROSPECT - The prospect if frightening. It
is entirely possible that by post-hypnotic suggestion a whole
army of people could suddenly find themselves willing slaves of
intelligent beings who care nothing for the welfare of those
slaves, or of the world itself as we know it. If there is some
great super-plan of a spiritual counterattack to reach its
culmination in Armageddon, it could well be that (this) army of
slaves will be available to obey orders, without even knowing
beforehand that they have been inducted into the armed forces of
what the Bible refers to as the principalities and powers.
"The indications are that even children are at times
utilized for the implementation of the plans of these evil
powers. That possibility is illustrated by the following
incident.
"On December 12, 1967, Mrs. Rita Malley was driving along a
public highway to her home at Ithaca, New York, with her five-
year-old son Dana in the back seat of her vehicle. At about 7:00
P.M. she suddenly realized that a red light was apparently
following her, and as she was moving above the speed level, her
first reaction was that she was about to be pulled over. She
looked through her window and found that it was not a police car
behind her but an eerie flying object, moving along above the
power lines at the left of her car. Then she found she no longer
had control of her vehicle, and shouted to her son to brace
himself. However, he remained motionless as though he were in a
trance.
"A white beam of light flashed down from the vehicle
overhead, then she heard voices that sounded weird, broken, and
jerky. She herself became hysterical, but through it all her son
took no notice whatever of her cries. The radio was not on, but
she heard those voices tell her that at that moment a friend of
hers had been involved in a terrible accident some miles away.
The next day she found that this was indeed true. The voices
also told her that her son would not remember anything that had
happened. The ordeal was terrifying to Mrs. Malley herself, and
for some time afterward whenever she remembered the episode she
would break down sobbing.
"...It would seem possible, then, that pliable children are
especially useful for the purposes of these beings. Many
children have been used as tools so that men and women would
believe in these beings who have a plan whose totality has not
yet been revealed.
"...These incidents are not limited to children. Mrs. Ralph
Butler was watching flashing lights outside Owatonna in Minnesota
one night in November, 1966. She was with a friend, and suddenly
her friend became immobile, with her head dipped down. Mrs.
Butler herself heard a voice talking to her, but soon the ordeal
was over. However, when the two friends tried to discuss the
incident later, both found they immediately suffered blinding
headaches. Mrs. Butler also told of hearing strange voices on
her radio, and of having peculiar visits from 'air force
officers.' This pattern is reported by many who claim to have
been contacted by UFO personnel.
"The Butler family have experienced various poltergeist
phenomena since that 1966 experience--glass objects moving around
and breaking without any known cause, strange noises being heard
throughout the house, even telephones and television sets being
strangely interfered with (Note: As we will see in the following
file, such activity often occurs during UFO encounters where
there seems to be a COLLECTIVE involvement of paraphysical
'Infernals', Reptilians, and 'controlled-cybernized' Men In
Black--such as those malevolent powers that have allegedly
established bases or 'empires' in Sirius, Bootes, Retuculi and
Draconis as well as their subterran counterparts - Branton).
"This sort of activity has followed many other supposed
saucer sightings. The similarities between the stories are of
such a nature as to cause surprise at first--someone temporarily
in a trance, men posing as air force or other officials, those
men being slight in stature with dark olive skins and pointed
features, and the contactees having dreadful headaches,
hallucinations, and nightmares. Some of them have gone into
trances and have temporarily become mediums through whom strange
voices could be heard...
"A TAKEOVER ATTEMPT? - Is there to be an attempt at a
takeover? There surely are limitations to the life-giving powers
of these UFO creatures... Man is the master of the animals, and
despite seemingly way-out theories, such as monster insects
waiting to attack us, in fact man is still able to control the
lesser creatures... (Note: That is unless man believes the
propagandist lies of the serpent races, etc., to the effect
that they supposedly created us genetically and are therefore our
'gods'. IF man believes such trash then he WILL NOT try to
resist and appropriate his God-given dominion over these 'beasts'
- Branton).
"EVIL FORCES ARE REAL - Even apart from my strong Christian
beliefs, and my acceptance of the Bible as the revealed Word of
God, I would have no doubt whatever as to the fact of spiritual
beings, evil forces, and phenomena that cannot be explained by
purely physical, psychical, or psychological concepts.
"If there is truth in this hypothesis, preparations would be
going on--just in case these overheard futurist interpretations
happened to be correct..."
Further exposition of the aliens' attempts to manipulate and
undermine human society can again be found in Brad Steiger's book
"THE UFO ABDUCTORS", in which he reveals:
"Dagmar and Carl R. have a farm in northeast Iowa about
forty miles from the Mississippi River. One night in August of
1982, Carl observed what he called at the time a 'lantern in the
sky' that hovered over him while he was working late in the
field...
"In October that year, while Carl was working late in the
field preparing for the annual corn harvest, he was startled to
see the glowing 'lantern' return to the sky above him. It
appeared to be the same object that he had seen in August.
"Although he tried to remain oblivious to the object, it
seemed to be hovering above him, even following him up and down
the corn rows. He became nervous and disconcerted and went back
to the farmhouse, where he asked Dagmar to come out and witness
the strange object.
"Dagmar was able to see the object, too, and they stood and
watched it for several minutes before it suddenly moved high into
the night sky and then sped off at a great rate of speed in a
westerly direction.
"About three the next morning, Carl was awakened by the
sound of cattle bellowing nervously in the stockyard. As he got
out of bed and looked out the bedroom window, he saw a disk-
shaped object hovering above the barnyard. It was glowing in a
kind of greenish color..."
Following this, the couple were 'tranquilized' somehow,
possibly by some kind of intoxicating, pacifying or stimulating
ray, after which they were taken by the entities. A traditional
'abduction' sequence ensued, similar to that described by so many
thousands of others. Steiger related the couple's afterthoughts
concerning their abduction by 'smallish' large-eyed beings "with
only nostril openings rather and a pronounced nose and with
tight, expressionless lips."
Steiger continues: "While the young Iowa couple can remember
no further UFO interaction since that particular autumn, they
both admit to being nervous about having another encounter.
Carl, especially, feels that he was used. Dagmar speculated that
bits of her skin tissue might have been removed in the
examination, and although she does not claim to be an expert in
such matters, she wonders if enough of her body could be cloned
in a way to interact with whatever embryo or fetus might have
been fathered by the semen that was taken from her husband (Note:
Dagmar described that during one part of the 'examination' a
needle-like object was stuck into her abdomen. Many believe that
this is one process by which the 'entities' extract 'eggs' from
human females - Branton).
"Not wanting to sound like victims of some science fiction
thriller, the young couple have theorized that they might have
been used in some strange program of creating hybrid beings.
Perhaps, they suggest, Carl's semen was used to impregnate an
alien female or an Earth female, who is somehow influenced by and
under the control of alien beings. In either event, they are
uncomfortable with the experience and with the memory of the
encounter. Both of them feel as though they may have been used
in ways opposed to their normal expression of will.
"Dagmar has gone even farther in her speculations by
suggesting that if bits of her body could have been used to
create a clone and if Carl's semen could somehow be used at a
future time to impregnate such a clone, then alien beings could
be breeding their own brand of humans as part of an organized
program to create an army of human-like robots that would be
totally under control of aliens in their master plan to conquer
Earth.
"UFO investigator Richard Siefried was told by Pam Owens
that she was taken aboard a UFO on November 25, 1978, while she
was expecting a child. She was nineteen at the time, and she had
no memory of the abduction until she was hypnotically regressed.
Then she was able to give full and fascinating details of her
encounter.
"Mrs. Owens told Siefried that she was paralyzed and able to
move only her eyes. She lay helpless on a table and stared up in
terror at two weird-looking creatures.
"According to Mrs. Owens, their heads were hairless,
oversize domes, their eyes were big and sunk back in their
skulls. The greenish skin covering their bodies was coarse.
Each hand had four fingers that she described as being twice as
long as a human's. And to her terror, one of those strange hands
was holding a long silver needle, preparing to plunge it into her
stomach..."
The following is an excerpt from an article which appeared
in a UFO-related publication. We do not know exactly who the
author of the article is, but we relate the excerpt as it was
sent to us:
"...Lear directed my attention to a large map of Nevada,
which delineates all the areas which civilian maps coyly leave as
uncharted military preserves. 'Right in the very center is a
place called Area 51. It is our most secret complex. There are
1900 people there - it takes presidential clearance to work there
- and they're ferried in by aircraft in the morning and taken out
about 5 o'clock in the evening. They have nothing to do with the
saucers. The people who work on the saucers go up later in the
afternoon, and go home about midnight. The saucer facility is
called S-4.' S-4 is in the southwest corner of Area 51.
"Unfortunately, this facility - and a similar set-up near
Dulce, New Mexico - may now belong to forces not loyal to the
U.S. Government, or even the human race. 'It's horrifying for us
to think that all the scientists we think are working for us are
actually controlled by the aliens.'
"Here, Lear seems to contradict himself. He speaks of
'aliens,' plural, in a controlling capacity, whereas previously
he noted but one survivor, kept as captive. He resolves this
conflict by describing an alleged landing at Holloman Air Force
Base on April 24, 1964 - our first 'diplomatic contact,' as it
were, with the visitors (Note: This writer does not take into
account the apparent SUBTERRANEAN connection and origin of many
of the 'alien' beings, which has been alleged by many sources and
which WOULD explain the large alien influence or presence -
Branton). According to Lear and other sources, the 1973 Robert
Emenegger documentary 'UFOS: PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE' presented
a thinly-fictionalized version of this event; government contacts
allegedly provided the film-makers actual footage of the meeting,
which, alas, was withdrawn at the last moment for as-yet un-
specified reasons.
"'A deal was made with them in the latter part of the 1960s
(Note: As we've indicated earlier this might have been a
'revisioning' of an earlier treaty, as some sources claim that
these treaties go back to the 1930's, if not earlier - Branton).
In exchange for technology, we would cover up the existence of
the aliens.' Apparently this agreement - engineered by an arm of
government so covert that even the President may not be on the
'need to know' list - also sanctioned the abduction of humans,
which the aliens rationalized as an ongoing monitoring of a
developing civilization. We asked only for a list of the
abductees.
"In 1973, the deal soured. 'Hundreds of people -
thousands - were being abducted that weren't on the list. In
1978-79, there was an altercation between us and the aliens, in
which they killed 44 of our top scientists, and a number of Delta
force who were trying to free them. I'm not sure where this
altercation occurred - it could have been Dulce (probably Dulce,
as the term 'Dulce Wars' which has been referred to by different
sources would seem to indicate - Branton), or it could have
occurred in Groom Lake (another alleged 'alien' base). This
battle, Lear claims, left us bereft of our own facilities; ever
since, we have attempted to create a counterforce to meet the
alien challenge.
"The Strategic Defense Initiative was one such scheme.
'SDI, regardless of what you hear, was completed two years ago;
that was to shoot down incoming saucers. The mistake was that we
thought they were coming inbound - in fact, they're already here.
They're in underground bases all over the place.' It seems that
the aliens had constructed many such bases without our knowledge,
where they conduct heinous genetic experiments on animals, human
beings, and 'improvised' creatures of their own devising.'"
Could the 'aliens' have always been here, preying upon the
human race in secret for millennia? Or rather, instead of being
an originally extraterrestrial race with 'bases' below the
surface of the earth; could they not be as the evidence seems to
indicate an originally subterrestrial race with 'bases' on other
